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True, however they're programmed differently to avoid such thoughts.
I mean there are some things the other can do, but I'll just post their pros and cons.
Ness Pros and Cons
Pro:
Decent aerial metagame PK fire can mutiple hit PK thunder's speed is decent to benifit his recovory PK thunder's impact deals a heavy amount of damage Can absorb projectiles Usmash can be used effectively Can deflcet projectiles with his Ssmash Dash attack can be used as a suprise attack, and it can't be read easily if the player knows what he is doing. PK thunder's speed D-tilt Effective d-air
Cons:
100% chance of being meteor smashed if present whenever he uses PK thunder in mid-air Some of his attacks has start up lag(For example, Ssmash). PK Flash is too slow and can never be useful half the time he preforms it PK fire can be easily counter'd if it's used up close. PK Thunder is unrealiable in tight spaces PSI magnet cannot absorb every projectile that comes its way
Ex: Ice climber's Icicle attack.
His yo-yo's are almost unrealiable in certain situations His D-smash is almost to completely useless.
^These are just the ones at the top of my head^
Now for,
Lucas Pros and Cons
Pro:
Aerial preformance
Ex: DI + PK fire > D-special can be used to recover safely. PK Fire can impact from both directions PK Thunder's bulb does not die out, when it impacts into other objects. PK Thunder's impact is a brief and light travel + he can pass through other opponents to avoid obvious metagames(Power shield + grab counters n' stuff) Has bonus tether recovery Long ranged grabs Also, even quicker and more effective pivot grabs Two meteor smashes Strong D-smash + U-smash In addition to his D-smash + multiple hits His Ssmash is quick move Can absorb projectiles PSI magnet's quick jolt Can deflect projectiles with his Ssmash
Con:
PK thunder is unrealiable in tight spaces Note: Due his excellent turn, he can avoid this syuff around a 50% - 60% chance But not all the time
PK thunder's speed affects his recovery PK thunder's impact
Ex: It takes judgement to know when and how to use it correctly and properly. One person could easily kill theirself off FD if it's used incorrectly.
He cannot absorb all projectiles His aerials can be easily read, for they're not not solid. Usmash is too slow and unrealiable + easy to read due to its start-up lag His dash grab has too much ending lag, and can be punished easily His tether recovery is not an attack(Meaning, it cannot be used as an attack in mid-air)
For example,
Samus's grab Metoer smash(D-air) is not the best meteor smashing option in all situations Same goes for his B-air As a matter of fact, most(3/4's) of his aerials are unrealiable. Tilts are pretty much useless with him, cept' his d-tilt though compared with Ness's it somewhat useless.
^The are just the ones off the top of my head^ ^I would have to do more testing to get back to you on this^
Though, they're attacks have the same base, they're way different in preformance.
Luciole2831 Admin
Posts : 1501 Join date : 2010-10-01 Age : 27 Location : Florida, United states of america
Basicly stats are different. And there attacks have different effects.
In short summary, yes.
But remember that their series is the same, so not everything about their abilities will be different. Kinda like a character with updates from his previous game, etc.
Luciole2831 Admin
Posts : 1501 Join date : 2010-10-01 Age : 27 Location : Florida, United states of america
I never played paper mario before but just with experience of past alternate version of mario in a smash bros game the attacks may be similar not to mention how we just made 3D mario into 2D sprites it might look the same if we make a 2D mario into just sprites. I have no problem with all the others except the ovious clones i have no idea who saki is and i don't really think its too good of an idea to have so many pokemon trainers.
Red Moderator
Posts : 184 Join date : 2010-11-11 Age : 28 Location : Somewhere in Johto...
I got More characters ideas for the 10 more characters. -Dr.Mario -Pichu -Young Link -Bowser j.r -Zero from Megaman -Pokémon Trainer #1 (Red) (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard) -Pokémon Trainer #2 (Gold) (Chikorita, Croconaw, Typhlosion) -Pokémon Trainer #3 (May) (Mudkip, Grovile, Blaziken) -Pokémon Trainer #4 (Dawn) (Piplup, Grotle, Infernape) -Samus/Zero zuit Samus -Saki -Paper Mario
Hope you like these character ideas.
Too many Trainers.
My list of characters(I mean you missed alot of the cool ones that never get their creds.):
-Viewtiful Joe(Viewtiful Joe) -Emil Castagnier(Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New world) -Zero(Megaman X) -Samus/ Zero Suit Samus *Play Smash bros. -*Input 5th gen Pokemon here* *Watch Pokemon B/W gameplay* -Bomberman? (Though this is not the game he originated from.) -Marta Lualdi(Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New world) *Note this is not the game she comes from. - Roll/ Protoman? *Play Tasunoko VS. Capcom/*Play MM series -Wario *Play brawl -Billy Hatcher
^Just my suggestions^
Luciole2831 Admin
Posts : 1501 Join date : 2010-10-01 Age : 27 Location : Florida, United states of america
Why does viewtiful joe look like a red captain falcon with a V on his head o.o?
lol. I thought his design was formed or at least inspired by Tatsuo, creator of Tasunoko or the Power Rangers.
But I never compared the similarities of Viewtiful Joe and Captain Falcon. Well, just the looks portion. Their personalities are completely different. :/
He certainly would be an interesting character to fight. *Playing TvsC
I mean, his Voomerang is a weird projectile to use; use it on the ground, and it will curve up.
Use in the air and it will curve downwards, spiking into the dirt. Charge it, and it fly around in a loop of some sort. And, he can combo like hell in mid air.
He can use his slow, mach speed, and zoom abilities to surpass his foes.
Viewtiful Joe was one of my gamecube faves right next to Tales of Symphonia and Billy hatcher.
Luciole2831 Admin
Posts : 1501 Join date : 2010-10-01 Age : 27 Location : Florida, United states of america
Nice sprite. Only thing is figuring out the moveset due to him having no fighting games. I know he used bombs in mario kart double dash.
Ultimatejp Bearded Dragon
Posts : 434 Join date : 2010-11-25 Age : 26 Location : Final Destination fighting Master hand with all the super smash bros characters
Subject: Re: Characters Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:49 pm
Luciole2831 wrote:
Nice sprite. Only thing is figuring out the moveset due to him having no fighting games. I know he used bombs in mario kart double dash.
I got some movesets for waluigi the tennis racket like in ssbc and we can copy some movesets from ssbc.
Naes-Igasu Elder Dragon
Posts : 847 Join date : 2010-12-19 Age : 27 Location : florida
Subject: Re: Characters Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:27 pm
Do you think waluigi should have his racket in hand for his sprites?
I think there should be seperate forums on each character for they're development.
example: Waluigi character development
Ultimatejp Bearded Dragon
Posts : 434 Join date : 2010-11-25 Age : 26 Location : Final Destination fighting Master hand with all the super smash bros characters
Subject: Re: Characters Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:47 pm
Naes-Igasu wrote:
Do you think waluigi should have his racket in hand for his sprites?
I think there should be seperate forums on each character for they're development.
example: Waluigi character development
I think waluigi should just have bare hands and use his racket when he use his side smash attack and yh there should be a seperate forums on each character.
Deshar Admin
Posts : 1931 Join date : 2010-10-04 Age : 35 Location : England
I never played paper mario before but just with experience of past alternate version of mario in a smash bros game the attacks may be similar not to mention how we just made 3D mario into 2D sprites it might look the same if we make a 2D mario into just sprites. I have no problem with all the others except the ovious clones i have no idea who saki is and i don't really think its too good of an idea to have so many pokemon trainers.
My first question would be which paper mario? Each game seems to depict him differently. Also I have played the first paper mario only and watched bits and peices from the others. If you go with the first one then he is definatly different to normal mario. Also he's clearly shown as paper in the game, not just simply a 2d version of Mario. When he turns around for instance he goes paper thin then widens out again rather then showing a front sprite.
Deshar Admin
Posts : 1931 Join date : 2010-10-04 Age : 35 Location : England
Do you think waluigi should have his racket in hand for his sprites?
I think there should be seperate forums on each character for they're development.
example: Waluigi character development
I think waluigi should just have bare hands and use his racket when he use his side smash attack and yh there should be a seperate forums on each character.
Doesn't waluigi have a move where his foot gros bigger for a breif instant while kicking? Or did I imagine that?
What would be his super smash or whatever it's called when you break open a smash orb?
Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:50 pm
